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statistical add-ins for Excel
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b***@aol.com
2005-12-12 21:07:33 UTC
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What statistical add-ins (free or commercial) do people recommend for
Microsoft Excel. I have seen criticisms of Excel's built-in statistics
functions. Thanks.
Gordon Sande
2005-12-12 21:29:07 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
What statistical add-ins (free or commercial) do people recommend for
Microsoft Excel. I have seen criticisms of Excel's built-in statistics
functions. Thanks.
The folks who make DataDesk also make a product called DataDesk/XL
which is a plugin for Excel for either Mac or Windows. They also
have Vizion which provides data visualizations as an Excel plugin.
I have not used either but they good rather good company.
John_Kane
2005-12-12 23:23:12 UTC
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What statistical add-ins (free or commercial) do people recommend for
Microsoft Excel. I have seen criticisms of Excel's built-in statistics
functions. Thanks.
Probably none. Spreadsheets, in general, are not designed for
statistical analysis. In many cases some of the algorithims used are
suspect, the graphics are not very good (although often flashy) and
because of the way spreadsheets work it is pretty well impossible to
document what you are doing.

See http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jcryer/JSMTalk2001.pdf for some specific
criticisms of using Excel for statistics but I think the criticisms may
apply both to add-ins and other spreadsheets.

You are almost certainly much better off with a dedicated statistics
package either one of the main comerical packages (SAS, SPSS,
Mintab, ???) or one of the free/open source ones ( R,
http://www.r-project.org, or Dataplot, etc
http://freestatistics.altervista.org/stat.php)

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada
Art Kendall
2005-12-13 13:35:37 UTC
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I strongly concur. Probably none.

I have been using spreadsheets since the late 70's starting on an
interactive main frame and then on PCs. I find spreadsheets very useful
for many purposes. However, doing statistics is not one of them.

The choice of packages to some degree depends on the kinds of analysis
you will be doing, whether you are just doing some exercises or doing
serious research, what discipline you are in, where you can get help,
whether you will do a complete analysis at one sitting or will come back
to complete or refine it, whether others need to be able to follow what
you are doing (QA reviewers, supervisors, other researchers in
disciplines that require sharing data, people from whom you are asking
help, yourself when you have been away from your computer for a while,
etc.).

Also if you are going to do a very wide range of stat methods, or need
more esoteric procedures, you will need to use a more than one package.

In the social and behavioral sciences 80 to 95 percent of an analyst's
time is in getting the data ready for analysis ( Sociology, political
science, psychology, nursing, market research, management, public
policy, evaluation, etc.). After looking at clients needs, we often
recommend starting with SPSS, pasting the syntax generated by the GUI,
for the preparation cleaning and exploration of the data. If there are
procedures not available, then it is easy to transfer the data to other
formats. Some special purpose packages such as SUDAAN can directly read
SPSS system files. SPSS writes SAS files, Excel files, etc.

Art
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Post by John_Kane
Post by b***@aol.com
What statistical add-ins (free or commercial) do people recommend for
Microsoft Excel. I have seen criticisms of Excel's built-in statistics
functions. Thanks.
Probably none. Spreadsheets, in general, are not designed for
statistical analysis. In many cases some of the algorithims used are
suspect, the graphics are not very good (although often flashy) and
because of the way spreadsheets work it is pretty well impossible to
document what you are doing.
See http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jcryer/JSMTalk2001.pdf for some specific
criticisms of using Excel for statistics but I think the criticisms may
apply both to add-ins and other spreadsheets.
You are almost certainly much better off with a dedicated statistics
package either one of the main comerical packages (SAS, SPSS,
Mintab, ???) or one of the free/open source ones ( R,
http://www.r-project.org, or Dataplot, etc
http://freestatistics.altervista.org/stat.php)
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada
Doc Jones
2005-12-19 02:33:09 UTC
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Can you recommend some free software for a GAM with lowess smoothing?
The dataset is a time series with hypergeometric distribution.

Doc

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Post by John_Kane
Post by b***@aol.com
What statistical add-ins (free or commercial) do people recommend for
Microsoft Excel. I have seen criticisms of Excel's built-in statistics
functions. Thanks.
Probably none. Spreadsheets, in general, are not designed for
statistical analysis. In many cases some of the algorithims used are
suspect, the graphics are not very good (although often flashy) and
because of the way spreadsheets work it is pretty well impossible to
document what you are doing.
See http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jcryer/JSMTalk2001.pdf for some specific
criticisms of using Excel for statistics but I think the criticisms may
apply both to add-ins and other spreadsheets.
You are almost certainly much better off with a dedicated statistics
package either one of the main comerical packages (SAS, SPSS,
Mintab, ???) or one of the free/open source ones ( R,
http://www.r-project.org, or Dataplot, etc
http://freestatistics.altervista.org/stat.php)
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada
David Winsemius
2005-12-20 00:41:39 UTC
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Post by Doc Jones
Can you recommend some free software for a GAM with lowess smoothing?
The dataset is a time series with hypergeometric distribution.
Doc
R.

Here is the link to the model specification you asked for:
http://www.maths.lth.se/help/R/.R/library/gam/html/lo.html
statfan
2005-12-13 17:16:30 UTC
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There exists a commercial software www.analyze-it.com
You can download a demo. I've bought it. It is useful if you want to
perform simple analyses from time to time. It is specialised for
analyses of diagnostic test. However, I prefer software like SPSS or
similar softwares.
There exist some small free tools www.acomed-statistics.com. However,
in german language.
i***@aol.com
2005-12-14 10:34:16 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
What statistical add-ins (free or commercial) do people recommend for
Microsoft Excel. I have seen criticisms of Excel's built-in statistics
functions. Thanks.
See
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.excel/tree/browse_frm/thread/3cb1f038d03cae2d/cc16389291aa9391

Ian Smith
Ivan
2005-12-15 08:15:28 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
What statistical add-ins (free or commercial) do people recommend for
Microsoft Excel. I have seen criticisms of Excel's built-in statistics
functions. Thanks.
none
... as Art Kendall wrote: spreadsheet are useful for many tasks, but
statistics is not one of them
Thom
2005-12-16 11:56:39 UTC
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I'd slightly disagree. Spreadsheets are useful if you know what you are
doing ... in other words when to avoid them. For example, for many
purposes I find it easier to use Excel to calculate simple statistics
like t, r, d, chi-squares, confidence intervals and so on. The key is
to avoid extreme cases and to perform checks on the results. In general
it also better to build the calculations yourself than use too many
in-built routines. They shouldn't be used to substitute for dedicated
software such as SPSS etc.

Thom
Z
2005-12-19 09:13:29 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
What statistical add-ins (free or commercial) do people recommend for
Microsoft Excel. I have seen criticisms of Excel's built-in statistics
functions. Thanks.
PopTools is a free add-in that is very good, made by people at CSIRO. It
provides a good set of simulation tools and covers for some of Excel's major
inaccuracies. You can download it on www.cse.csiro.au/poptools , or google
with "CSIRO" and "Poptools"

z
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2020-03-27 08:50:25 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
What statistical add-ins (free or commercial) do people recommend for
Microsoft Excel. I have seen criticisms of Excel's built-in statistics
functions. Thanks.
PopTools is a free add-in that is very good, made by people at CSIRO. It
provides a good set of simulation tools and covers for some of Excel's major
inaccuracies. You can download it on www.cse.csiro.au/poptools , or google
with "CSIRO" and "Poptools"
z
Dear Z,
I am no longer able to run PopTools, since the 32-bit Microsoft Excel on our PCs has been replaced by the 64-bit version.
Do you know if any updated version of the software running with a 64-bit Excel is available?

Thanks
Alice
Rich Ulrich
2020-04-01 03:43:57 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
What statistical add-ins (free or commercial) do people recommend for
Microsoft Excel. I have seen criticisms of Excel's built-in statistics
functions. Thanks.
PopTools is a free add-in that is very good, made by people at CSIRO. It
provides a good set of simulation tools and covers for some of Excel's major
inaccuracies. You can download it on www.cse.csiro.au/poptools , or google
with "CSIRO" and "Poptools"
z
Dear Z,
I am no longer able to run PopTools, since the 32-bit Microsoft Excel on our PCs has been replaced by the 64-bit version.
Do you know if any updated version of the software running with a 64-bit Excel is available?
PopTools. A quick Google finds mention of 32-bit only.

Clicking on the Google hit for the PopTools website
gets a message about the site being suspended, so it
could be that the 32-bit version is out of reach, too.
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Rich Ulrich
b***@aol.com
2005-12-21 17:01:23 UTC
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Thanks to those who answered my question. Confirming the many warnings
I received not to rely on Excel for statistical analyses, a colleague
recently encountered a bug in "linest" (function for multiple linear
regression) that gives completely incorrect output for the slope and
intercept when there are more than nine significant digits in the data.
This bug occurs in Excel 2003 but not Excel 2000. The bug is known to
Microsoft, and a "hotfix" is available -- see
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/887964/ .
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